Hello comrades

[g1annis]

Sorry for not writing in Bulgarian, but I cannot speak your language. I'm Greek and I'm looking for some information about Lada Niva in Bulgaria.

Here in Greece DIESEL version of Lada Niva was NEVER imported. Moreover, the replacement of a gasoline motor to a diesel one is ILLEGAL in Greece. Of course there are some Greeks that they own Diesel Niva, but they are either illegal modifications, or they are imported mainly from Bulgaria.

I searched in some international used-cars portals that there are Diesel Niva in Bulgaria. Unfortunately they are all quite old. The newest I found was 1997 I think.

Can you please inform me if there are still Diesel Niva sold in Bulgaria, or (in case of not) how old could be the more recent sold Diesel Niva version can be found?

Thanks in advance.
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Предлагам тези, които не знаят английски да ползват Гугъл преводача и да му отговарят на български, а той ще се справи по същия начин. Иначе трябва да преместим темата в чуждоезичния форум, а там може да не му помогне никой.

[krasivl]

От: Hello comrades

Погледни колега този сайт. тhttp://www.mobile.bg/index_djipove.html

[4x2]

От: Hello comrades

You are Welcome.Sorry dude ,but my english isn't good,cuz I have taught him 20 years ago.But I will try to help you.
I found only those 4 listings, you have to check it them and If you like something.You can try to talk with sellers for more information(the phone number is in the listings),but I`m not sure if they know English!


http://www.topobiavi.com/лада-нива-1...dno701482.html
The first one is close to Greece.Region- Plovdiv.
Info:
Engine-1,9diesel from Peugeot
Standees-1997 years.
Мileage-111111км.
Five speed.Perfect engine,and chassis without rust.New colour.Hallogens.
Price-4500BGN,its about-2300EURO.



http://nfs.mobile.bg/pcgi/mobile.cgi...522&f1=details
The second one.Region-Burgas.
Info:
Engine-1,9diesel from Peugeot
Standees-1997 years.
Мileage-160000км.
Very good condition.Hallogens,Alarm.Car radio.Doors with central locks




http://nfs.mobile.bg/pcgi/mobile.cgi...670&f1=details
Number three.Region-Pleven.
Info:
Engine-1,9diesel from Peugeot.
Standees-1996 years.
Mileage-59000km.
New import.
Notice:This car is without registration,and and you need a trailer for transport to Greece.


http://nfs.mobile.bg/pcgi/mobile.cgi...028&f1=details
The last one is not so far from Greece.Region-Stara Zagora.
Info:
Engine-1,9Turbo Diesel from Peugeot.
Standees-2001years.
Mileage-67000km.


Thats from me,and good luck.

[bgbul]

От: Hello comrades

Sorry for not writing in Bulgarian, but I cannot speak your language. I'm Greek and I'm looking for some information about Lada Niva in Bulgaria.

Here in Greece DIESEL version of Lada Niva was NEVER imported. Moreover, the replacement of a gasoline

Thanks in advance.

Sorry Ido not speakyour language or English.
Use Googletranslator andI hopeit is understandablefor you.

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[g1annis]

От: Hello comrades

Thank you very much friends.

In fact, I'm not looking for more than 10 years old car.

This one is a good choice, because it is 2001

http://nfs.mobile.bg/pcgi/mobile.cgi...028&f1=details
The last one is not so far from Greece.Region-Stara Zagora.
Info:
Engine-1,9Turbo Diesel from Peugeot.
Standees-2001years.
Mileage-67000km.


But please tell me something: why are not there newest Diesel Niva than 2001?

Thanks a lot!

[krasivl]

От: Hello comrades

Ако решиш да купуваш от България,колега ще помагаме при покупката.Някой колега от Стара Загора може да погледне тази Нива дали си заслужава.

[Ясен]

От: Hello comrades

But please tell me something: why are not there newest Diesel Niva than 2001?

Diesel Niva was never imported in Bulgaria, just like in Greece. All of these running in Bulgaria are imported second hand from western Europe.

So, tell me you something:
1. Why diesel Niva? It doesn't have that much of advantages, except for the fuel economy. The price of the diesel Niva offsets much of the saving if you don't get diesel fuel for free.
2. Why not older than 10 years? The price for used Niva does not differ much between 5th and 15th year and there is a reason for that.

[g1annis]

От: Hello comrades

Diesel Niva was never imported in Bulgaria, just like in Greece. All of these running in Bulgaria are imported second hand from western Europe.

So, tell me you something:
1. Why diesel Niva? It doesn't have that much of advantages, except for the fuel economy. The price of the diesel Niva offsets much of the saving if you don't get diesel fuel for free.
2. Why not older than 10 years? The price for used Niva does not differ much between 5th and 15th year and there is a reason for that.

1. The prie of unleaded fuel here in Greece, it is almost 1.7euro which means 3.35 Lev/Litre while Diesel it is 1,4euro or 2,74 Lev/Litre. Moreover the Diesel engine consumption is 7.2 Liters/100Kilometers while the gasoline's engine is 10.5 Lit/100 Kilometers.
2. Except for some technical developments that happened to Niva the last 10 years (e.g. the re-positioning of the rear lights and so the ability for the rear door to open a bigger opening, or the 5speed gearbox etc) that fact is that there will be critical issues that will be better in a 9 year old car compared to a 15 year of car.

I think, they are really good reasons why eh?

[Ясен]

От: Hello comrades

well, almost.

Diesel Niva is ~2000EUR more (even more if newer). You have (10.5*1.7)-(7.2*1.4) = 7.77EUR/100km difference. Say 8, because your numbers are pretty much optimistic. The difference pays off for ~25000km. So diesel makes sense only if Niva is your primary car (I wonder where you live, if you need Niva as a primary car). Well, you will save.

How good is diesel fuel in your area? Does it freeze sometimes in cold winter nights in mountains?
Well, it's not Bulgaria (we DO have these issues).

Diesel engine is heavier and is not good on soft terrain (where you need Niva in the first place). It is also weaker (TDs are powerful enough, but rare).

The developments in Niva you mention (rear lights, back door, 5-th gear, better seats) happened in 1995-1996. (16yr from now). Later changes that worth mention (silent transfer box, better gearbox, etc) happened 2004 and later. In between, the are all the same (minor changes in engine systems). Non-uniform build quality masks the aging and the mileage completely. The only serious selection criteria is THE rust. It's either rusty (avoid) or not rusty (and everything else is repairable).

You have pretty low chance finding 2005+ diesel Niva in Bulgaria.

[Veni1]

От: Hello comrades

Абе, Ясене, в Гърция имаше едни дизелови горива за туристи, като мене, дето си пътуват , и си зареждат на Шеловете, и други дизелови горива, за комбайни, трактори и прочеее..

Като двата вида са с две различни цени.

И, предполагам, човека се интересува от гледна точка точно на тоя интерес.

Обясни му сега отново, за да стане ясно на всички!

[g1annis]

От: Hello comrades

well, almost.

Diesel Niva is ~2000EUR more (even more if newer). You have (10.5*1.7)-(7.2*1.4) = 7.77EUR/100km difference. Say 8, because your numbers are pretty much optimistic. The difference pays off for ~25000km. So diesel makes sense only if Niva is your primary car (I wonder where you live, if you need Niva as a primary car). Well, you will save.

Yes, it will be my primary and ONLY car.

How good is diesel fuel in your area? Does it freeze sometimes in cold winter nights in mountains?
Well, it's not Bulgaria (we DO have these issues).

Hm! I've taken it into account. It's true that diesel, not only in my area but in the hole Greece, is not of good quality, and this could cause problems. The replacement of a diesel fuel pump in Greece may cost 1000euro, which is almost half the price of the used car I'm interested to buy. But I think that bad diesel quality does not really affect the old diesel engines, as it happens with the newest ones.

For example... I think that the 1.9 diesel engine that those used Niva have, comes from Peugeot Partner. It is the PSA DW8 that was built in 1998. So old Diesel engines I don't think that they have problem with the fuel quality.

off topic: [spoiler]Here in Greece there are 2 types of diesel. The one for the Central Heating of the apartments (we call it Heating Diesel) and the on e for the engines (we call it Moving Diesel). 59.8% of the Moving Fuels cost is taxes and rates!!! while the taxes for the Heating Diesel is quiet lower. I know many people here in Greece that the used to full such old technologically engines with Heating Diesel and not Moving Deisel. Which is well known that Heating Diesel is of very bad quality. Although they continued to do this, which means that such old diesel engines are not really affected by the diesel quality.[/spoiler]
Engines that they DO have problems are that newest ones, just like the JTD that have hundreds of sensors in order to reduce emission gases.

As regards to the freeze... No in fact there are not so low temperatures here in Greece that may cause problems. At least not in daily basis. But... even if it happens some days in a year... I think it worth the restriction in order to have all the other benefits

Diesel engine is heavier and is not good on soft terrain (where you need Niva in the first place). It is also weaker (TDs are powerful enough, but rare).

The developments in Niva you mention (rear lights, back door, 5-th gear, better seats) happened in 1995-1996. (16yr from now). Later changes that worth mention (silent transfer box, better gearbox, etc) happened 2004 and later. In between, the are all the same (minor changes in engine systems). Non-uniform build quality masks the aging and the mileage completely. The only serious selection criteria is THE rust. It's either rusty (avoid) or not rusty (and everything else is repairable).

Here in Greece, it is well known that the local representative of the Lada company, he is a crook, and all the cars that he imported where deficient. That is why here in Greece Lada Niva does not have the reputation it should to have, at least to the people that they ignore.... Here in Greece, the Nivas with the vertical rear lights, came just in 2000.

You think that the latest Niva 4x4M with the propeller shaft that substituted the cardan shaft and many other changes hasn't yet imported by the Greek importer.

You have pretty low chance finding 2005+ diesel Niva in Bulgaria.

Anyway, thanks a lot... You really helped me more than expected. I hope you will be still there if I finally decide to buy this Lada.

Thank you all!

[Veni1]

От: Hello comrades

а, човека си каза...

Дайте да му намерим един дизеляк, да е доволен, че ще си кара с нафта за отопление, осветление, или оране..

[Ясен]

От: Hello comrades

Here in Greece, it is well known that the local representative of the Lada company, he is a crook, and all the cars that he imported where deficient. That is why here in Greece Lada Niva does not have the reputation it should to have, at least to the people that they ignore.... Here in Greece, the Nivas with the vertical rear lights, came just in 2000.

heh... pretty much the same in Bulgaria. I don't know why.

[MotoMAGNA]

От: Hello comrades

Sorry for not writing in Bulgarian, but I cannot speak your language. I'm Greek and I'm looking for some information about Lada Niva in Bulgaria.
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Can you please inform me if there are still Diesel Niva sold in Bulgaria, or (in case of not) how old could be the more recent sold Diesel Niva version can be found?

Thanks in advance.
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[sek.1]

От: Hello comrades

Колега мотора XUD 9 на Пежо е изключително здрав но определено идва слаб на нивата по документи се води 68 конски сили . Търси турбодизеловия варянт там мотора вече е 90 конски сили и върви повече от добре . Карал съм и двата модела разликата е огромна .